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Torpedo Trike

April 12th, 2014 Leave a comment Go to comments

Simple inverted trike built for speed record attempts. Features front suspension and single driven rear wheel.

Datasheet:

Completion date: 12/04/2014
Power: electric (RC unit)
Dimensions: length 41 studs / width 20 studs / height 12 studs (not including antennae)
Weight: 0.684 kg
Suspension: front – full independent / rear – none
Propulsion: 2 x RC motor geared 1:1
Motors: 2 x RC motor
Top speed: 20.78 kph

I have been thinking about possible ways of topping my personal speed record of a LEGO creation, which until now was held by my Pagani Zonda at 15.41 kph. Having been somewhat disappointed with performance of four RC motors, I wanted to try to use just two, with a single RC unit, in some very lightweight vehicle. One of the issues was the choice of wheels – the Zonda’s wheels, for example, were exceptionally heavy, although they did provide excellent traction. Eventually, I decided to go for some lightweight, large wheels with slick tires made of solid rubber, without air inside. This is because I wanted lowest rolling resistance possible, and this kind of resistance comes partially from the tires being deformed by vehicle’s weight, which is minimal with solid rubber. At the same time, slick tires would provide much better traction than no tires at all.

Another question was the drivetrain – using just two RC motors called for RWD vehicle, because AWD system would add much weight and many moving parts with extra friction. In my experience, very fast RWD vehicles have great need for differentials, because they easily spin out at high speeds. The differentials increase level of complexity and are fragile – the rear differential in my Zonda got it’s inner gears snapped while braking with motors. It took me a while to arrive at a conclusion that the best option is to simply use a single rear wheel. This removed any need for a differential while making the vehicle perfectly steerable and free from tendencies to spin, and with the wheel installed between RC motors, the drivetrain was extremely simple and robust, allowing to brake with motors without any damage.

The resulting vehicle was an inverted trike – with two front and single rear wheel. All wheels were Lego motorbike wheels with slick tires – narrow in the front and wide in the back. The wide narrow tire proved to ensure great traction, partially thanks to the fact that with just one rear wheel more than half of vehicle’s weight rested on it. The rear wheel was mounted between the motors so that it could be easily swapped between their faster and slower outputs. It was obvious, though, that the vehicle was much faster with the faster outputs driving the wheel, and this is the configuration I stayed with. The front wheels were attached to the RC unit’s steering attachment, which was robust, lightweight, and provided proportional steering and positive caster angle. This allowed me to use independent front suspension, thus minimizing amount of shocks transferred to the rear wheel, and to make minimal directional corrections while driving, using the proportional steering.

The final top speed was decent, but I’m sure it can be topped, perhaps on a different kind of surface, with a different kind of wheels. Seeing as the trike took quite a while to fully accelerate, I would say that lowering weight may be an option, because torque seemed like an issue here. There may also be potential in a gearbox, with two or more speeds shifted remotely during acceleration, but with LEGO gearboxes adding a lot of weight and friction, the advantages may not be worth the effort. In any case, I don’t think that “legal” LEGO solutions allow significantly higher speeds – this model probably cuts it pretty close.

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  1. PF XL motor
    October 12th, 2016 at 00:26 | #1

    Lemme see. 3D printing? =)

  2. Sariel
    October 5th, 2016 at 11:19 | #2

    @PF XL motor
    I would probably need bigger wheels to make use of it.

  3. PF XL motor
    October 5th, 2016 at 06:26 | #3

    Wouldn´t the speed of the trike change if you added 2 rc units and 4 rc motors? In reference to your Zonda which with all that weight achieved 10 mph. With four rc motors and two units the speed would be about 24 km/h.

  4. Sariel
    December 14th, 2014 at 20:35 | #4
  5. EV3fan
    December 14th, 2014 at 18:03 | #5

    Does the suspension also have Ackermann steering? It looked so for me in the video.

  6. Reinhard
    August 24th, 2014 at 17:13 | #6

    Hi,

    How did you make that?! It so fast! Im sure you hamster was relieved when it didn’t have to go on it! Very well done!

  7. August 13th, 2014 at 23:03 | #7

    @EV3fan

    I believe he was mistaking motor inefficiency for wire inefficiency… a loaded electric motor (especial brushed motors such as lego motors) will have relatively low efficiency – around 70 to 80 percent.

  8. Sariel
    July 18th, 2014 at 22:20 | #8

    @EV3fan
    I don’t know, my knowledge of electrics and electronics is really basic.

  9. EV3fan
    July 18th, 2014 at 22:00 | #9

    There is a source on youtube (re465intube) who says this in one of his videos: (the vid is about a centrifugal waterpump): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4SU3suJMvk#t=124
    What the guy says is shocking to me:it would mean that if you drove a model with a 9v powersource, only 77 percent of it (7v) would actually arrive at the motor.That’s an enourmous resistance for only a few centrimetres of electric wire!So my question is now: wold a model like this actually be faster if you built in wires with less electric resistance?This just came to my mind.

  10. Sariel
    April 27th, 2014 at 20:04 | #10

    @Robert
    Nie, to znaczy że wielkość kół i przełożenie ma znaczenie.

  11. Robert
    April 27th, 2014 at 19:06 | #11

    A jakie sa Twoje spostrzezenia w odniesieniu do ukladu: po 2 silniki rc na koło tylne tak jak w przypadku Peugeot-a 908 HDi VS 4 silniki rc po 1 na kolo tak jak w przypadku Pagani Zond-y, co jest bardziej korzystne? Wiem ze oba modele roznily sie waga, wielkoscia kol, Zonda byla nawet ciezsza a mimo wszystko ciut szybsza, czy to oznacza ze lepszym rozwiazaniem (pod wzgledem osiagniecia najwyzszej szybkosci) jest “silnik na kolo” ?

  12. Sariel
    April 26th, 2014 at 21:13 | #12

    @Robert
    Nie wiem jaki jest rekord, wątpię żeby innymi silnikami dało się szybciej bo konieczna będzie masa zębatek która wygeneruje mnóstwo tarcia.

  13. Robert
    April 26th, 2014 at 20:42 | #13

    Z 2 silnikow rc oraz 1 modulu wycisnales chyba wszsytko, lzejszej konstrukcji chyba sie nie da wykonac a nawet jesli to roznica w predkosci bedzie zapewne niewielka. Pytanie czy z 2 modulami 2rc i 4 silnikami rc da sie stworzyc cos szybszego? Moze cos bardziej stabilnego niż Bugatti Type 35 tzn o lzejszej konstrukcji i wiekszym rozstawie kol? Jaki jest wogole rekord predkosci pojazdu z lego? Czy z silnikow z nxt z odpowiednimi przelozeniami da sie stworzyc cos szybszego?

  14. Sariel
    April 22nd, 2014 at 09:19 | #14
  15. April 22nd, 2014 at 03:44 | #15

    Nice job. Do you happen to know what the land speed record is for a Lego vehicle?

  16. Sariel
    April 20th, 2014 at 20:52 | #16

    @Alexander
    I have no reasons to think so.

  17. Alexander
    April 20th, 2014 at 18:36 | #17

    Dosn’t the phone, to measure the speed, slow it down a bit?

  18. Sariel
    April 18th, 2014 at 12:39 | #18

    @TinkerBrick
    Normal AAs.

  19. TinkerBrick
    April 18th, 2014 at 12:25 | #19

    Cool. What kind of batteries did you use? Rechargeables (1.2V) or “normal” AAs?

  20. Sariel
    April 18th, 2014 at 09:19 | #20

    @jake
    Maybe just a little bit.

  21. jake
    April 18th, 2014 at 04:07 | #21

    do you think the torpedo trike would go faster without the suspension? ( but of course nobody wants to damage parts).

  22. jake
    April 18th, 2014 at 04:04 | #22

    The fastest lego creation that i have ever seen

  23. Sariel
    April 15th, 2014 at 09:35 | #23

    @iaz
    No.

  24. iaz
    April 15th, 2014 at 08:24 | #24

    amazing still can’t get over it!!!! can you make an updated version with bodywork ?

  25. Sariel
    April 13th, 2014 at 17:19 | #25

    @Alex
    A mistake.

    @ctw100s
    RC unit’s steering attachment.

  26. ctw100s
    April 13th, 2014 at 16:12 | #26

    What’s that thing in the front holding the front wheels coming off of the rc unit’s steering output? I also see one of those gray axle holes in the front, but not on the rc unit.

  27. Alex
    April 13th, 2014 at 15:56 | #27

    Hi Sariel.
    This MOC is great as you other creations.
    One question. What was the reason for placing one of front dumpers (springs) up side down?

  28. gabry
    April 13th, 2014 at 15:47 | #28

    It’s very impressive… It might be nice to see a similiar chassis with a Morgan Three Wheeler bodywork 😉

  29. Iaz
    April 13th, 2014 at 15:38 | #29

    Cool ,I’ll check it out

    Thanks !

  30. Sariel
    April 13th, 2014 at 13:13 | #30

    @Andrew
    I don’t have any gym large enough available.

    @Iaz
    As with everything else – Bricklink.

  31. Iaz
    April 13th, 2014 at 03:38 | #31

    Cool, were can you get these rc motors ?
    Thanks.

  32. April 13th, 2014 at 02:29 | #32

    Wow, this trike sure is quick!

  33. Andrew
    April 13th, 2014 at 02:02 | #33

    @Andrew
    very awesome btdubs!

  34. Andrew
    April 13th, 2014 at 02:02 | #34

    why did you test it on an asphalt road? why not test it inside a gym or something? you’d get better traction and faster speeds this way.

  35. Republican Swag
    April 13th, 2014 at 01:03 | #35

    Very cool! Keep up the record breaking Sariel!

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