Tiger Tank
Model of the famous WW2 German heavy tank. Features drive, steering, rotated turret, elevated main cannon and lights.
Datasheet:
Completion date: 21/12/2011
Power: electric (Power Functions)
Dimensions: length 25 studs (36 studs including main cannon’s barrel) / width 14 studs / height 11 studs (not including antenna)
Weight: 0.694 kg
Suspension: none
Propulsion: 2 x PF Medium geared 1:1
Motors: 3 x PF Medium, 1 x micromotor
The Tiger tank is the probably most famous German WW2 tank, and one of the most famous tanks in history. It entered service as a heavy tank in 1942, and it was exceptionally advanced for the time, as well as deadly effective. The tank’s powerful gun and thick armour made it an unprecedented threat to both Soviet and Allied tanks. There is also another side to the Tiger, which states that the tank was over-engineered, extremely expensive and time-consuming to both produce and to maintain, and its fuel consumption was monstrous, especially for the crumbling economy of the after-1942 Nazi Germany. It was also designed in accordance with a doctrine of armoured warfare that was already obsolete – it was intended to win by superior firepower and thick armour, while the Soviet tanks, much cheaper and easy to produce in large numbers, were already winning by manoeuvrability, sloped armour and by working in groups. To make things worse, the Tiger was rushed into service without proper quality control and on-site technical support, resulting in many tanks disabled by technical malfunctions or being abandoned after getting stuck because there were no means to haul them out. Still, it was an impressive and fearsome tank, even if its significance has been exaggerated by the Nazi propaganda. One could say that it was a great tank itself, but it required maintenance and logistics on a level its creators were unable to provide.
As for the model, I was initially going to build it in large scale, with tracks of the newer type, but my primary goal was to properly model its distinctive overlapping road wheels. This element is often ignored and simplified in the models of the Tiger, and I wanted to get it right. It turned out difficult to do at large scale, but I figured out that I could simply use Technic discs at a smaller one. Since there pieces don’t exist in dark bluish grey colour, I had to settle on next closest to it, that is pearl dark grey.
The model has undergone a rigorous technical control.
After deciding on a small scale, the main challenge was to make the model fully remote controlled despite its very small size; the finished model’s hull was only 20 cm long and it could fit on the palm of my hand. My secondary goal, besides that, was to properly model the shape of the air filters on the rear of the tank, which are half-round but Lego builders often make them all-round or even rectangular. I achieved this by using four 6191 bricks, which was also a challenge as they only appear in dark bluish grey in a single Lego set, one brick per set.
Eventually, the model had to house four motors, two IR receivers, a battery and approximately 2 meters of wire, plus the large Technic turntable which would provide a stable base for the turret while allowing to install a motor in it. I won’t be dwelling on how hard it was, let’s just say that there were times when the functionality of the model depended on whether I can move some element half stud further or not.
The model was quite simple technically. It was driven by two PF Medium motors located in the middle of the hull, which drove rear sprockets with 1:1 gearing (the only ratio possible as there was no space for any large gear wheels). There was a battery in front of the hull, and a third Medium motor next to it, which drove the turret’s turntable through a worm gear. There was a single wire that entered the turret and powered a micromotor installed inside it, which drove another worm gear and thus controlled the elevation of the main gun’s barrel. There was no suspension whatsoever, and the two headlights on top of the hull had Lego LEDs inside them and shutters made of the bases of Lego levers.
The look of the model was not meant to be consistent with one particular of many versions of the Tiger, I just wanted it to be characteristic, which means that it’s close to the tanks from the early production batches. Its side number – 131 – was not random; the 131 Tiger tank can be found in the Bovington Museum in UK, and it’s probably the world’s only Tiger tank in driving condition today.
The model did not look perfectly; the hull was too tall by roughly 3/4 of a stud, and the turret had a gap beneath it to allow the worm gear to mesh with its turntable. This could be avoided if there was enough space in the hull to ‘sink’ the turntable inside it, but there wasn’t. The turret was 9 studs wide, built around a micromotor and held together by its roof rather than by its bottom. Its look was affected by mechanical parts inside it – its front was too tall and its rear end is a little too far to the back. Finally, the main gun’s barrel’s dimensions had to be heavily approximated at this scale – for example, the longest section of it should be 0.75 stud thick while the thickest section should be 1.5 stud thick. There are simply no Lego pieces with such dimensions that would have the required look.
The model was fun to play with, but clearly suffered from small size and low weight. It’s almost my lightest tank model ever, one third lighter than my T-72M tank and almost as light as my very simple Mark I tank – and it has more road wheels than any of those; 24 to be exact, with only 16 visible from the sides. Therefore its traction was poor and it was difficult to drive over my floor, where any unevenness (and there are many) affected its direction. I believe it would perform much better with more weight, stronger chassis and a simple suspension system, as proved by my earlier T-72 tank model, which had exactly the same tracks and propulsion system. This means that this model is probably example of the level of “miniaturization” that is already bad for its functionality.
@Sam
No.
are there have any instruction pdf for share…not easy find the brick in hongkong….
@totopremier
Sorry, I don’t remember, it’s been 4 years ago.
@Sariel
re-hello,
what i mean is the piece directly beside the cannon (a black piece it seams to me, that have a hole or a loop in is bottom) (you probably don’t remember)…. and, if you remember, the way you lock the bottom of the turntable (with the wires, it’s very difficult to find a solid way to attach it).
@totopremier
As far as I remember, I have simply used 8t gear.
hello,
is it possible to know what pieces you use between the worm gear(the one of the micro-motor) and the cannon? i can’t find a good way or pieces to have the same elevation than yours…(the main problem was the odd number and the lack of space).
@Joel
Thanks but even if I made instructions, it would be basically impossible to buy pieces to build this tank.
Very cool. Great job! Only wished you could and would share instructions. Again, great job building. Keep on building mind blowing creations!
Nice website about Tiger:
http://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/germany/tanks-2-3/tiger-tank/
I built a basic tank with two motors and a nice fullstud black hull yesterday and I’m planning to build one with turret rotation and elevation so I tried to develop some turret rotation systems but they dindn’t work good enough and then i saw yours on one of the “work in progress” pics and its great! I’m gonna rebuild it right now.
When it’s done i will send you the link of my MOC Page, i only lack the micro for the gun elevation, but i will make it to be manually elevated, and don’t laugh at my colorful design, because the lack of single color parts is very obvious 😀
@Srdjan Grbovic
It may not be worth the effort. Suspension at this scale will need to be very small, so it won’t look too impressive when working, and the model can be too light for it to work properly.
@Sariel
Well that is logical, but will it improve its ability to traverse minor bumps, to use a pendular design ?
@Srdjan Grbovic
For a tank so light, suspension doesn’t really make sense.
Any suggestions on how to make any type of suspension for a Panther tank at the same scale ? Take in to account that its one stud narrower, but 2-3 studs longer than your Tiger. I thought to use : http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=1555&colorID=0, but then the wheels won’t rotate, or just to ditch the suspension completely ?
And a great design as always, you are on of the god of Lego 🙂
@nitwity
I don’t know.
How many track pieces did you use all together on this tank?
@Sami
I doubt that.
@Sariel
You’d make a fortune, if you started to selling instructions for these 😛
@Sariel
Wasn’t sure, thanks for the answer. 🙂
@Alibi
It’s conventional PF extension wire connected to a regular 9V wire.
Hello Sarie, what cable do you use to connect the micro motor to the power functions? It doesn’t seem to look like a conventional pf extension wire( I don’t even think they work).
@Alibi
Whichever work better for you. It’s your model, so you will figure it out better than me.
@Sariel
Okay, but this kind http://www.engineeringwithabs.ch/pictures/tracks2b.jpg or the 2nd ones?
http://di1-2.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/a0/e7/02/110725874-260×260-0-0_john+john+deere+ertl+toy+crawler+40+420+rubber+tra.jpg
@Alibi
Use small tracks, then.
Hello sariel, I am building a tank myself, I would like to know what kind of tracks should I use? The ones that you used for your tiger tank, some conventional rubber ones or nxt ones? Thank you in advance! The tank would be a medium or heavy one, but I would like to build it at small as possible o match up with the lego figures. ^^
Thanks from England!
🙂@Sariel
@Ben
Depends on what motors. Two XLs are max, for example.
awsome tank!
cant wait to see more! (that is if you are going to build another tank?)
Hi Sariel,
sorry if this is a bit off topic but do you know what is the max amount of motors the battery can power?
awsome build!!!! 🙂
(sorry if i wasted your time :()
Hi Sariel, it’s me again. Something happened with my comments… So, this time I’ll try it without my link. Maybe that was the problem.
Well done your Tiger! Respect!
Greetings from Berlin!
You’re welcome.
That’s a pity. Thanks for the reply though.
@Fenris
Thanks. I don’t have such plans at the moment.
That’s pretty impressive. The details are great, and the compromises you had to do with the proportions to fit the drivetrain aren’t too visible. It’s great seeing proper, overlapping wheels on a LEGO Tiger, or even a Tiger in general.
Question: Does this mean we can expect to see more WWII german military creations? It’s a very interesting subject, for me and many others, but I would perfectly understand if you don’t want to go there. Few countries suffered more than Poland during the war after all.
@John
For each motor, I simply put two single bevel 12 teeth gear wheels into these braces: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=87408
There are also u-joints between motors and braces, so braces can be lower relatively to the motors.
Hi there.
How did you build the gearing from the motor to the tracks?
The motors seem to be very low and very tight…
Best regards- Your biggest fan!
@Ruud
Well, and I meant that I have no instructions, just like for 99% of my MOCs.
Hi Sariel,
I meant the build instructions 🙂 LDD for instance. Do you have them and are you willing to share or sell them?
cheers, Ruud
@Ruud
What instructions?
Would you share the instructions?
wow, forgotted a word XD
@mindstorm addict
Yes.
Do you a tank gearbox could be usefull ?
@qwertyuiop
Corrected that. Thanks.
not to be a pain, but i noticed a small mistake in the paragraph after the photo with lucius. you said you decided on “s small scale” instead of “a small scale”
@jerkerhead
No, no, and no. Micromotor is only good because it’s so small.
is the micromotor any good when it comes to torque, speed and usefulness. also did you get it recently.
@Tholias
These are so-called Technic discs. They are mentioned in the very paragraph you’re referring to.
The stubby look does remind me of the look that one of the prototypes for the Tiger had..
Also.. i couldn’t help a chuckle as i noted your comments on the overlapping wheels, and them often being overlooked, recalling the famous “Ryantigers”, built out of russian tanks..
Regarding those.. what kind of pieces did you eploy for the wheels? I don’t quite recognize them, and i noted no remark on what it was, in the explanations… Regardless… again.. simply an awesome model… of a rather historic tank.
@Tholias
It’s a bit too tall, hence the impression.
In one word.. Awesome… The Tiger is my number two favorite WW2 tankl(Number one would be it’s heavier cousin). One minor point though, i get the faint impression it’s a bit too slim compared to it’s length and height?
@Patrik
Of course it does. As you can see in the video, I’m rotating the turret three times in one direction and three times in the other – that’s 1080 degrees back and forth.
I was wondering for a while if you run the wires through the middle of the turntable, does it allow it to rotate 360 degrees?
@Sariel
thanks anyway, i understand
Ok, thank you, luckily on bricklink they aren’t as expensive as the motor
@Peterx
No, but it can be difficult to keep this motor fixed in place without them.
Hi Sariel, I have a micromotor but I haven’t the cover and the base, are they indispensable?
@Magnus
I have already taken it apart. Besides, it uses plenty of very rare pieces.
hi sariel, hope you had a nice christmas and all the best for 2012 but i know you dont like people asking but instructions would be nice. 🙂
Maybe its because mine are old.
@TLT803
I’m surprised, they never break for me.
I think it might be your best tank!
Every time I try to motorize the small tracks I have trouble because they tend to break, do you have any suggestions?
@Ben
I can’t, that’s the work of YouTube copyright filters. Should work fine on your PC though.
Love the model, cant see the video. I’m on my iPod, and this isn’t the first time I’ve encountered this issue. It says the owner hasn’t made it available for viewing from a mobile device- any way you could change that?
“The video is not available in your country.” (because of the music) 🙁
@Patrik
Through a worm gear and 8-tooth gear.
How does the micromotor control the elevation? Can you show the gearing if any?
It’s nice, but .. it’s very small !