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Alvis Stalwart

September 6th, 2009 Leave a comment Go to comments

My fourth Trial Truck vehicle. Features 6×6 drive, two axles with different steering lock, full independent suspension and front winch with a quick release lever. The first vehicle powered by the Lego 8878 battery in Polish Truck Trial.

Datasheet:

Completion date: 05/09/2009
Power: electric (Power Functions)
Dimensions:  length 53 studs / width 27 studs / height 24 studs
Weight: 1.875 kg
Suspension:  full independent
Motors: 1x PF Medium, 1x PF XL

My another attempt to create a successful Truck Trial vehicle. Having my previous experiences with Unimog U900 and Star 266 in mind, I focused on a vehicle that would be small, light, low and simple. I have chosen to model the Alvis Stalwart truck because it was one of the shortest off-road vehicles with three axles. I liked the idea of having six wheels so close to each other, because if offered good traction and good weight distribution.

The chassis was complex but compact, built almost exclusively with liftarms. It consisted of two steered axles both of which were copies of the module I have used in the front axle of my earlier Hellbender model. The third axle was not steered. The intervals between all three axles were identical, which meant that the second axle was supposed to have 50% of the first axle’s steering lock.

The problem was that two aforementioned modules  were located in ‘mirrored’ positions in order to simplify the drivetrain. Therefore the steering driveshaft had to have its direction of rotation reverted between the modules. It was achieved with a simple setup of small bevel gears, but it also created a significant backlash. Initially there was 16-teeth gear in the first axle’s rack & pinion mechanism, and an 8-teeth gear in the second axle’s one. In theory it provided the desired difference in steering locks of two axles, but in practice that difference was heavily degraded by the backlash. I have solved it eventually replacing the 16-teeth gear in the front axle with a 12-teeth one. Coupled with the backlash, it created just about the perfect steering lock difference.

The drivetrain was somewhat complex, with two separate driveshafts for the third axle and for the two first ones. The model was driven by a single PF XL motor located just above the third axle, and the 8878 battery was located at the very rear end of the chassis – together with the PF XL motor it counterbalanced the weight of the cabin.  I expected the front winch to be a very important part of the vehicle – it was driven by the drive motor through a driving ring with a quick release lever. When the lever was engaged, the winch was driven accordingly to the direction of vehicle’s movement. When the lever was disengaged, the winch was disconnected from the motor and the string could be quickly extended by hand. There was a number of pulleys used inside the chassis to reduce the friction of the string, and the entire winch was enclosed within model’s frame. The winch proved so powerful and robust that when forced to stop, the string split before there was any mechanical damage.

The model was a bit heavier than expected, but it had a very good weight distribution and the suspension worked flawlessly with its weight. It was also quite manoeuvrable and very, very stable. I expected the low ground clearance to be a problem, but it was helped by the bottom of vehicle which was covered by a protective layer of smooth liftarms, so that the model could slide over obstacles to some extent. The main problem of the vehicle was failing drivetrain plus non-lockable differentials. A lot of slip situations occured, and the drivetrain would snap when a really high torque was needed. It could have been helped by the use of the winch, but it worked way below the vehicle’s travelling speed, which proved fatal – the winch was simply to slow to take the load off the wheels. It would work much better if the release mechanism disengaged wheels from the drivetrain as the winch was engaged.

The model has lost its first and only race, but in some aspects it performed much better than any of my previous trucks – it remained stable at all times, it did not suffer any damage despite the use of many delicate parts such as CV joints or universal joints, and it did not formally malfunction – it simply suffered from the drivetrain being unable to handle high torque. It was also acclaimed by other Truck Trial builders for capturing the original vehicle’s look, which kind of surprised me. Moreover, the experimental use of the 8878 battery turned out to be a success – the model’s performance was not degraded, while its weight with a traditional battery box would exceed 2 kilograms.

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  1. Maxwell
    August 25th, 2010 at 21:53 | #1

    @Sariel

    oh, I’m sorry!

  2. Sariel
    August 20th, 2010 at 21:31 | #2

    @Maxwell
    BRICKLINK. I have written it everywhere, on this website, and in all my videos, and I assume you can read, can’t you?

  3. Maxwell
    August 20th, 2010 at 21:11 | #3

    I’m from Germany and im 16 years old and i wonder where you got all those parts for the steering system. (:

  4. Sariel
    July 24th, 2010 at 21:47 | #4

    If it slips inside a frame then perhaps the gear’s teeth are damaged. I’ve been testing brand new differentials inside a frame, driven by PF XL motor, and they didn’t slip even once.

  5. July 24th, 2010 at 21:04 | #5

    Oo0oh, sorry to bother you again.. but i have tried that, but it still slips. Do you recommend a washer to increase tight contact between the gears?

  6. Sariel
    July 24th, 2010 at 20:49 | #6

    Put it inside a liftarm frame or inside a bracing.

  7. July 24th, 2010 at 17:05 | #7

    yo sariel, im having problems with my 8297 differential because the gear keeps slpping against the differential and the teeth on the differential gets blunt and damaged.. how do i fix this because i noticed you 2 are using the same diffs. and you have no problem with it.

  8. M-Man
    April 8th, 2010 at 20:40 | #8

    oops! that was a reply to matthew for taking up the whole page. Not you. :)

  9. M-Man
    April 8th, 2010 at 20:38 | #9

    youre taking up the whole page you idiot now shut up! :)

  10. Sariel
    April 7th, 2010 at 14:58 | #10

    @NeuroMimetis
    Some people stuff things inside the tire, like small tires or rubber bands. You can try gluing if you’re really desperate. For me, the best solution is to have vehicle with at least 6 wheels – it’s practically impossible to see the rim slipping in all of them.

  11. NeuroMimetis
    April 7th, 2010 at 14:54 | #11

    @peter

    I’ve heard already about people complaining because the lego wheel was slipping into the tire.

    It sounds like water and soap, after driying, can solve the problem.

  12. peter
    April 4th, 2010 at 18:21 | #12

    your website is excellent and has got me into building truck trial. however recently i have had an issue with the wheel rim slipping inside the tire. im using the offroader wheels (94.8 x 44r) plz help!!!

  13. matthew
    April 4th, 2010 at 18:00 | #13

    sorry

  14. Sariel
    April 4th, 2010 at 17:10 | #14

    @matthew
    No, you should probably check it with Lego and stop producing a dozen questions per day.

  15. matthew
    April 4th, 2010 at 16:25 | #15

    Do you know how to get a job in lego?

  16. Sariel
    April 4th, 2010 at 12:03 | #16

    @matthew
    I don’t know yet.

  17. matthew
    April 4th, 2010 at 10:21 | #17

    Do you think the Tatra T815 is going to be better than the Alvis?
    Will it have any cool features?

  18. Sariel
    April 3rd, 2010 at 22:37 | #18

    @matthew
    As far as I remember, not.

  19. matthew
    April 3rd, 2010 at 22:15 | #19

    Did you ever use the winch last year?

  20. Sariel
    April 3rd, 2010 at 14:19 | #20

    @matthew
    We were allowed last year, but currently it’s forbidden. Not my decision, I don’t know more about it.

  21. matthew
    April 3rd, 2010 at 11:44 | #21

    In truck trial are you allowed to use the winch on the Alvis e.g for pulling up hills or over obstacles

  22. Sariel
    April 2nd, 2010 at 23:20 | #22

    @matthew
    Someone else does.

  23. matthew
    April 2nd, 2010 at 19:23 | #23

    Do you organize the races in Poland,or does someone else?

  24. Sariel
    April 2nd, 2010 at 18:52 | #24
  25. matthew
    April 2nd, 2010 at 18:35 | #25

    Is there a certain age limit to participate in truck trial?

  26. Sariel
    February 24th, 2010 at 15:06 | #26

    @Andre
    That’s odd, because I’ve never noticed the new differentials snapping when placed inside these frames.

  27. Andre
    February 24th, 2010 at 14:53 | #27

    Sariel :
    @Andre
    Have you tried putting the differentials into the new open liftarm frames?

    If you refer to the frames that come with the 8258 crane truck, yes. I noticed the problem first when making the crane truck motorized. For now I have resorted to removing the differentials, which works fine with a rock crawling truck.

  28. Sariel
    February 22nd, 2010 at 13:20 | #28

    @Andre
    Have you tried putting the differentials into the new open liftarm frames?

  29. Andre
    February 22nd, 2010 at 13:02 | #29

    Your website is a real inspiration! I have built my own truck but now I have run into trouble. Even though I use the same differentials as you do, I have trouble with gears slipping (resulting in damaged differentials). I have tried many different gear combinations, but still the truck can not drive over obstacles, the differential seeming to not be strong enough. Can you give me advice to overcome this please?

  30. February 18th, 2010 at 20:39 | #30

    thanks. time to buy the 8297 set.

  31. Sariel
    February 17th, 2010 at 13:44 | #31

    @Joe
    I don’t make instructions on a principle. All the steering pieces come from the 8297 set.

  32. February 17th, 2010 at 13:41 | #32

    would u ever be able to do instructions? its just ive never been able to make a good chassi. and if not can i have the part numbers for the steering peices? all mine seem to start off good but then a big problem comes up like the steering wont steer or somthing stupid like that!

  33. Sariel
    February 2nd, 2010 at 11:19 | #33

    @samogitian
    Regular or absent. There’s no space for locking differentials, and there is absolutely no space for torsens.

  34. February 2nd, 2010 at 11:08 | #34

    I always wondered what kind of center differentials are used in Lego Truck Trials. Are they absent (solid axles), locking, open or perhaps torsen? :)

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