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8879 Power Functions Speed Control Remote modified

April 30th, 2009 Leave a comment Go to comments

Presentation of the new, speed control-enabled Power Functions handset along with a modification I’ve created to allow easy control of the tracked vehicles. Update: instruction added.


I have been waiting for the 8879 handset for a while, expecting its speed control feature to come really handy. It was obvious that just like the previous handset, this one would see many modifications, so I have planned some on my own beforehand.

The speed control feature implemented into the Power Functions system but never used earlier, offers a number of new possibilities. For instance a heavy model driven by the powerful PF XL motors can speed up or slow down gradually, while with the previous handset it had to be done abruptly, at full motors’ power. Not only does it reduce strain on the drivetrain (thus making it potentially possible to gain greater speed), but it  looks realistic too. Moreover, the tracked vehicles no longer need a subtractor – they can be driven by a single motor for each track and controlled as precisely as if fitted with hydrokinetic transmission. Removing a subtractor results in a much more robust drivetrain system and in substantial savings of the internal hull’s space.

The handset itself is small (the exact size of two previous handset put side-to-side) and complies with the previous handset really well when it comes to putting several handsets together or the general working principles. Just like the previous handset it is powered by three AAA batteries, it has a channel selector with 4 positions available, and two pole reversers, each for a single motor. Instead of two levers present in the previous handset, we have two dials here. Each of them has diameter of a little more than 3 studs, and a 1 stud deep axle hole.  The dials offer 7 levels of speed both forward and reverse. It comes as a surprise that the dials’ movement is not limited – they can be rotated freely, and do not return to a neutral position. Instead, each dial has a red square button that immediately stops the respective motor regardless of the dial’s position. It’s a bit confusing, especially with tracked vehicles, making it hard to synchronize both dials. Fortunately, the dials don’t rotate smoothly, but by small jumps, which is helpful because each jump corresponds to a single speed level.

Another surprise is the fact that the new handset does not require a constant contact with the IR receiver.  While the previous one caused motors to stop upon loosing its signal, with the new handset the motors continue to work uninterruptedly whenever the signal is lost. While it may appear somewhat unsafe (it’s more likely to loose the control of the vehicle that it was with the previous handset), it can be used as an advantage in many situations. Trains builders will certainly appreciate this solution, and so will anyone who chooses to drive his vehicle outdoors. If you think of building a PF-powered vehicle with a degree of autonomy, this handset is a perfect solution, eliminating the need to keep the vehicle’s IR receiver linked to the handset at all times. Instead, it can be given an initial command and then operate on its own.

In order to make controlling the tracked vehicles easier, I have build a simple modification on the handset. It’s a sort of a steering wheel that can be tilted forward / backward to control drive, and works as a regular steering wheel in any position. It does, however, lack some precision, and the gear ratios make it impossible to use the full scale of the handset’s drive control. If we assume that +7 is the full forward speed and -7 is the full reverse speed, the steering wheel offers range from +7 to approximately -2. Therefore it leaves plenty of space for more advanced modifications.

You can see functioning of both original and modified handset from the video below. Additionally, there is my unfinished model of the Caterpillar D9T  tracked dozer used as an exemplary tracked vehicle.

Photos:

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Instruction:

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Video:

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  1. Sariel
    June 15th, 2014 at 23:05 | #1

    @Nir
    What engine car?

  2. Nir
    June 15th, 2014 at 22:49 | #2

    Hi

    I have another question
    Where can I find an instructions to build an Engine car?
    I bought a lot of parts (wheals, Axle …) and I would like to see a car model.

  3. Nir
    May 17th, 2014 at 22:51 | #3

    Thanks
    ouch – it wasnt clear

  4. Sariel
    May 17th, 2014 at 22:46 | #4

    @Nir
    Yes, you need another part: http://shop.lego.com/en-PL/LEGO-Power-Functions-IR-Receiver-8884
    And a little basic knowledge wouldn’t hurt either.

  5. Nir
    May 17th, 2014 at 21:40 | #5

    Hi

    I bought engine 8293 and Remote 8879 but I don’t understand how they work together?
    Is the remote control this engine?
    Do I need another part?

  6. KELLY
    March 30th, 2014 at 10:31 | #6

    HI,
    I LOVE THE WAY YOU MAKE THIS 8879 Power Functions Speed Control Remote. DON’T KNOW IF IT’S POSSIBLE TO HAVE ALL THE BRICKS’ #S THAT YOU ARE USING FOR THE UNIT. I NEED TO ORDER THE ENTIRE INDIVIDUAL BRICKS ON BRICKLINK. THANKS!!

  7. Nachtmahr
    March 11th, 2014 at 22:51 | #7

    Great idea and nice tutorial.
    It works smoother if you use bigger gear-wheels.

  8. Sariel
    January 27th, 2014 at 20:55 | #8

    @gNat
    Since wheen speed control dials have any resistance?

  9. gNat
    January 27th, 2014 at 17:58 | #9

    I don’t know if i’m doing something wrong, I think that I followed the instructions corectly. I have trouble with part bedning, and gear slipage, it just doesnt want to over come the resistance of the speed controller dials.

  10. December 27th, 2013 at 04:37 | #10

    Any One now all the part numbers please Help????

  11. Yoda_Software
    December 17th, 2013 at 11:30 | #11

    Shame on me.

    I’m not always comfortable with the English sites.

  12. Sariel
    December 17th, 2013 at 11:07 | #12

    @Yoda_Software
    Why do you go to Price List Guide when you should go to Lots For Sale?

  13. Yoda_Software
    December 17th, 2013 at 10:42 | #13

    Thanks for your links

    I probably don’t used properly research (the site seems to me a little complicated).
    When I’m on the http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=48496 page and I go to the Price List Guide, there are none available.
    If I search for other pieces, add them to my cart and look for the 48496 part, there are no results.

    By which way do you arrive to your result page ? Because I might need it again for other parts.

  14. Sariel
    December 17th, 2013 at 09:50 | #14
  15. Yoda_Software
    December 17th, 2013 at 01:43 | #15

    I am a beginner in LEGO Technic.
    What other parts can I use instead of #48496.
    On BrickLinck, it is not available for delivery in France.

    Thanks in advance for your help.

  16. Sariel
    April 4th, 2013 at 15:34 | #16

    @Ali
    Oh come on, these are like the cheapest and the most common Lego gears in existence.

  17. Ali
    April 4th, 2013 at 15:26 | #17

    What other combination of gears can I use if I don’t have those that fit in the orange buttons? (6589). unfortunately I only have 4… so I can use 3 for the steering wheel but that’s it..

  18. Sariel
    January 29th, 2013 at 13:19 | #18

    @Maciej
    Ok, szukaj.

  19. Maciej
    January 29th, 2013 at 11:05 | #19

    Dzien dobry
    A moze twoje rozwiazanie pilota mozna bezposrednio zastosowac w modelu 9398?
    Kontrola predkosci jest przydatna i szukam rozwiazania by oryginalny pilot zamienic na 8879 z przeróbka.

    @Sariel

  20. Sariel
    January 28th, 2013 at 15:20 | #20
  21. Maciej
    January 28th, 2013 at 14:38 | #21

    DearS Have you got any idea for use this remote controler for model lego 9398?

  22. Sariel
    October 22nd, 2012 at 00:36 | #22

    @Shorjok
    It can be, it the wheels are set-up in a proper way. Look for example at my latest build, the NXT Peeping Tom – it has wheels, but it uses skid steering.

  23. Shorjok
    October 22nd, 2012 at 00:34 | #23

    I know this is an old post, but I need to ask you a question.
    Is this type of control suitable for non-tracked vehicles?
    I am making a vehicle that can’t steer and so requires the speeds of the back wheels to change between each other.

  24. Sariel
    June 10th, 2011 at 09:07 | #24
  25. bachaddict
    June 10th, 2011 at 09:00 | #25

    Did you notice the tunes made when you use the 43362 motors?

  26. technikfreak
    May 24th, 2011 at 17:57 | #26

    raet idea i have to say :D

  27. Phillip
    January 12th, 2011 at 06:26 | #27

    Thank you! I’m using this in the mini excavator I’m making to drive it, and the thumbstick to control slewing and raising and lowering the boom.

  28. Magnus Kjær
    August 13th, 2010 at 14:31 | #28

    @Sariel
    I thought so: D I would just ask if now was the case:) anyway thanks for the quick reply:)

  29. Sariel
    August 12th, 2010 at 16:19 | #29

    @Magnus Kjær
    Of course it can’t. The only way to make motor go faster is to feed it with higher voltage (12V, for instance) which can damage it.

  30. Magnus Kjær
    August 12th, 2010 at 16:07 | #30

    Can the Speed Remote Control make the motor go faster than it can with the normal controller.
    – By the way thanks for the quick answer before:)

  31. Sariel
    August 11th, 2010 at 17:50 | #31

    @Magnus Kjær
    MLCad and LDview. Both are freeware.

  32. Magnus Kjær
    August 11th, 2010 at 17:27 | #32

    I know that it’s not exactly a question about the, by the way extreme awesome, little construction . But… I wondered wich program or website you did use making the instruction for it:)

  33. NXTnut9
    July 29th, 2010 at 17:14 | #33

    Nice speed control attachment! Although I think it would be interesting to add your smaller subtractor to the controller, so you can make one stick steer a tank, anther drives it forward.

  34. Sariel
    June 22nd, 2010 at 22:57 | #34

    This is the part: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=48496
    And the axles are 7 studs long each.

  35. will
    June 22nd, 2010 at 21:46 | #35

    also what are the lengths of the axles used

  36. will
    June 22nd, 2010 at 21:12 | #36

    what is the part number for the part in the first picure of the instructions

  37. Sariel
    April 7th, 2010 at 13:12 | #37

    @matthew
    You can ONLY make it slower, you can’t make it faster.

  38. matthew
    April 7th, 2010 at 11:45 | #38

    Can you make a motor slower than the standard speed,or is it only faster?

  39. Sariel
    February 25th, 2010 at 10:47 | #39

    @Alex
    From what I know the current limit is defined by the battery box / battery. It’s true that it may be insufficient for multiple motors working at once, especially for multiple PF XLs. This is why some builders use two battery boxes at the same time, each powering only some of the motors. For example my Scania Dump Truck was powered by a single battery, driven by two PF XLs and had multiple lights. The battery was very strained and it would go off occasionally when driving over obstacles.

  40. Alex
    February 25th, 2010 at 10:34 | #40

    This is not strictly related to 8879, it is about the Power Functions IR Receiver.
    I have been told that each IR Receiver has a “current limit”,
    therefore using two of them instead of one – both attached to the same battery box – would give better performances.
    Do you agree? Thanks

  41. chili
    November 2nd, 2009 at 21:39 | #41

    @Sariel
    i just ordered all the parts exept one (7) axle.

  42. Sariel
    November 2nd, 2009 at 15:44 | #42

    @chili
    I’m not sure, but if it happens to gears on one side only, then perhaps the gears are worn? Try replacing them.

  43. chili
    November 2nd, 2009 at 15:28 | #43

    Umm.. my gears on left side are jumping over their teeth and are making cracking sounds all the time i try to use this controller, is there any simple way to stop that cracking noise/jumping over the teeth?.

  44. Sariel
    October 30th, 2009 at 13:06 | #44
  45. jochem
    October 30th, 2009 at 11:37 | #45

    where the heck did yout get the first part of the instruction?
    plz gimmy tha part number
    btw nice controller

  46. Sariel
    October 3rd, 2009 at 08:51 | #46
  47. Juan Manuel
    October 3rd, 2009 at 04:49 | #47

    I have a very big problem! I am a peruvian boy so i dont have
    many places to buy lego…. another problen is that lego is
    so expensive in my country… well i could buy some models for example
    the lego enzo ferrari and anothers old models. But i want to buy
    more and more just like you, so my questions is where can i get lego´s pieces? and where can i get lego´s instruccions??
    please help meeeeee!!!!!!

  48. Sariel
    September 14th, 2009 at 23:49 | #48

    @diego
    My email is written on the first photo of my every construction.

  49. diego
    September 14th, 2009 at 23:21 | #49

    Hi, i like very much your models, and there are some things that i want to ask you. i don’t know if this is the better place, it is about other models and pieces. is it a different way where i can text you?
    thx

  50. legokid
    September 6th, 2009 at 23:17 | #50

    you coud get the wheel loder

  51. Nick
    September 3rd, 2009 at 14:06 | #51

    Thnx u sariel! i think ill get the tracktor / dune buggy set and use it from that.

  52. Sariel
    September 3rd, 2009 at 13:58 | #52
  53. Nick
    September 3rd, 2009 at 13:53 | #53

    Do any of you know where to get the first brick in the instructions list for building the modified controller for tracked vehicles? its the first brick that you start out whith. does anybody know?

  54. Boris
    August 21st, 2009 at 14:07 | #54

    @Bjorn Leenen
    Just wanted to say something related to your post, also this is an answer to your question.
    Here is the delay time of bluetooth, ir, radio, cabel (usb or something)
    this is for TrTr.

    The fastest is the cabel because the Electrical signal can travel thru the wires, without any problems.
    2. is RADIO CONTROL, because the signal travels really really fast so the response time is almost instant. (you can get it from the DIrt Crusher or some set like that) Now you may think: ” Wtf? almost instant, you mean I press the button and wait couple of secs until the reaction?” NO, you won’t wait, when you press it, it reacts.
    3.is bluetooth, this may work for anyone who has a NXT, because you can easily control it from your cell phone. But the distance is the prob here, because it works really well for let’s say 10m MAX, and then you lose the signal. =(
    4.is the Infrared, it is SLOW, when I say slow i mean slow, It is the slowest possible way of sending a signal. Anyone with a phone that has IR, and has used it, can tell you that it’s slow, and the PF IR Remote is no exception, it is pretty fast, but still slow. =((

  55. Sariel
    August 15th, 2009 at 10:23 | #55

    @Adi
    Truck Trial.

  56. Adi
    August 15th, 2009 at 10:09 | #56

    What does TrTr stand for?

  57. Sariel
    August 11th, 2009 at 09:13 | #57

    @Bjorn Leenen
    For strictly TrTr purposes RC is certainly better. Personally, I won’t buy it because I’m not so much into TrTr and for the other purposes I’m fine with Power Functions.

  58. August 11th, 2009 at 09:03 | #58

    Hi Sariel,
    Love all of your work and footage of the TrTrS. Question:
    Now that you’ve seen this RC and the rechargable batterybox, would you recommend buying these or the ‘regular’ sets for driving a TrTr? In all of the movies you’ve published, I’ve seen the same thing: wlak next to you car, otherwise it will not function.
    I’m thninking of buying the RC and box separate, just for this purpose. Is this a wise descision?
    Pozdrowienia,

    Björn (NL)

  59. Sariel
    July 14th, 2009 at 06:35 | #59

    @blork
    Just two motors. That’s the point of showing it with the new remote.

  60. blork
    July 14th, 2009 at 05:24 | #60

    does the bulldozer use a subtractor?? or just 2 motors

  61. legobuilder
    June 26th, 2009 at 18:06 | #61

    good work sariel I like it but I have seen a link on youtube like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9wy3oTRcl8 it’s a normal pf remote with a joy stick made by bazmarc :D hope you like it ps sorry for my bad english

  62. Haz
    June 22nd, 2009 at 18:24 | #62

    Does anyone know when this will be avaliable to purchase??

  63. Miles
    May 25th, 2009 at 19:47 | #63

    @Koenigseggccr007

    You mean like the DX6i?

  64. May 16th, 2009 at 23:17 | #64

    it is better than the previous remote controllers, but I still don’t like the idea. Can’t they just make a real remote controller, like the ones they use in the rc world.

  65. Miles
    May 11th, 2009 at 03:01 | #65

    This would be interesting to try with a a catamaran boat, especially due to the way that the wheel/throttle combo works. In fact, the boat would probably respond in much the same way that the ones at Legoland do. I’ll get back to you when I accomplish this.

  66. Matthew Evans
    May 6th, 2009 at 04:03 | #66

    My initial idea was seeing if I could make this smaller:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/govissuedtoaster/3506147362/

    Because of the lower speeds, I think I could possible remove the need for self centering steering.

    and for my Idea, was something like this
    http://www.uberreview.com/wp-content/uploads/real-size-remote-control-car.jpg

  67. Sariel
    May 5th, 2009 at 06:46 | #67

    @Matthew Evans
    No, it will not replace a steering system for a car, because it’s not really useful when it comes to steering of a car.
    And if you want two joysticks, then the previous handset has them.

  68. Matthew Evans
    May 5th, 2009 at 02:25 | #68

    I don’t know what the discussion is about, but, I have a question.

    Will this replace the need for self centering steering, for rc car and like? Also, I was wondering on one of your future projects, is making a gocart. I would love to see that, no matter how easy it is to make.

    One idea of a mod to this remote is making something very much like a radio remote control. You know, with two joysticks. Just an Idea.

  69. MaryceL
    May 1st, 2009 at 10:19 | #69

    Nie. Jest tam tylko dodatowo regulacja prędkości.

  70. Gobbi
    May 1st, 2009 at 10:07 | #70

    A czy ten pilot ma większy zasięg od tego zwykłego?

  71. MaryceL
    May 1st, 2009 at 08:46 | #71

    Jest jeszcze ładowarka i zasilacz. Ja kupiłem sam pilot.

  72. Sariel
    April 30th, 2009 at 18:59 | #72
  73. MaryceL
    April 30th, 2009 at 18:39 | #73

    Gdzie go kupiłeś?? I za ile??

  74. Sariel
    April 30th, 2009 at 18:28 | #74
  75. Gobbi
    April 30th, 2009 at 18:06 | #75

    Co to za klocek robi jakby za obudowe dyferencjału? Taki czarny między zębatkami (dbev(TU)3małe bev(TU)dbev)

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